Libregamewiki:The coffeehouse

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Welcome to The Coffeehouse! This is our community discussion area. Here we can talk about things relating to the Libregamewiki encyclopedia.

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Ideas on improving the wiki
I started a blog about this wiki at this place. No idea if this is going to be a valuable part of this wiki. I am also thinking about adding a forum, not only for libregamewiki but for my other projects as well. I will probably make a huge notice banner to tell everyone that they can contribute to this wiki.

I know that we need to work on our content. It will probably take a year to get where we want to be.

But I want idea and things that we could do right now that make this wiki sticky other than trying to churn out horde of content for a year. This could be new type of area we could cover, or perhaps applications. I don't know. I guess we could branch this wiki into different languages perhaps?

I am pretty desperate to make this wiki worth visiting.--Kiba 01:09, 1 October 2007 (CEST)

Well you have me pretty much hooked for now :) But personally I think it would be nice if the wiki were targeted toward all areas of free game development, including tutorials, links to open-source content sites, links to discussion sites for help etc. That way all someone has to know is that if they come here they can probably find whatever it is they are looking for, instead of trying to google. Anyway, just my 2CW ;) --RB0 22:52, 30 September 2007 (GMT-6)

Opening up the wiki for development
I decided that I am going to extend this wiki. In addition, I will open up the development of the wiki in the hope it will attract developers. Before we can put the wiki into a subversion repository, I must decide which are sensitive information(to prevent future mishaps) and which is not. Also, I will need to learn the PHP programming language.

One of the modifications I am thinking about is an optional no ads skin. Even though ads is my main source of revenues, this is a win situation for me. Let me explain why. The user who don't like ads will not click on ads in the first place anyway. To them ads, are unnecessary burden on their internet connection. It also mean more loyal users, which in turn make more contributions to this wiki. In turn, advertisers will see higher clickthrough rates, thus increase the price. In that process of increasing price, I will gain regular customers. This result in higher revenue for me and benefit everyone else. It is all theoretical of course, but that is what I am hoping.

If you have any idea on what you would like to see on the wiki, please comment.--Kiba 00:07, 13 September 2007 (CEST)
 * I set up a project using Google's hosting service. It may be a long time when I get serious about this project.--Kiba 18:00, 15 September 2007 (CEST)

Redirecting libregamewiki.cyanox.nl to libregamewiki.org
In the interest of not being penalized on search engines, I tried an attempt to redirect libregamewiki.cyanox.nl to libregamewiki.org. However, the attempt failed to do the intended results.

Confusing search engines is not the interest of this wiki. If you have htaccess knowledge, please help me with editing the .htaccess file so that any domains that are used other than libregamewiki.org are automatically redirected to libregamewiki.org. Here is the pastie of the current .htaccess code. By contributing to this .htaccess file, I assume it is public domain.--Kiba 02:20, 7 September 2007 (CEST)
 * Try http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=redirecting+htaccess&spell=1 --Qubodup 04:56, 8 September 2007 (CEST)

I fixed the .htaccess its now redirecting all subdomains to libregamewiki.org CyaNox 11:32, 8 September 2007 (CEST)
 * Thanks CyaNox! You're the best host I ever have!--Kiba 00:37, 9 September 2007 (CEST)

Opps...My Bad
Original message deleted. The wiki is still for profit for me. I realize this is irrational and fear based. Nothing bad will happen to the wiki. --Kiba 16:31, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

WikiPromotion
Anybody have any idea where to promote this wiki? We need new editors so the wiki won't be dead. There is only two of us who are really active. If there are more of us, the wiki can keep expanding and thrives. So an active editor that got taken out won't seriously slow down the wiki's growth. I only advertised in three places. That's my blog, happypenguin, and Freegamer's forum.--Kiba 16:17, 26 August 2007 (CEST)


 * I think it might be a nice idea to go to the game developers of included games and tell them to take a look at the articles and ask them to add stuff they think is worth adding. --Qubodup 18:56, 26 August 2007 (CEST)
 * I done some of that with some dudes at pyweek.--Kiba 20:24, 26 August 2007 (CEST)

Uploading
It is about time that we start uploading images. Just make sure that you got the screenshot under the proper license of the game you're taking. The ability to upload is there for quite some time. Any objections/questions?--Kiba 20:27, 26 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Soon I will contact some of the devs I made articles of and ask them to allow me putting pictures of them under a license they accept. is it ok to put proprietary photos up here if they allow me to do so? I will aske them to make it more Libre-compatible though. --Qubodup 00:10, 30 August 2007 (CEST)
 * The article policy clearly state that images must be under a Free license.--Kiba 00:21, 30 August 2007 (CEST)

Reasons Why You Guys Edit
I am interested in editors' motivation for editing this wiki and why they're not afraid of the licenses that this wiki is under.--Kiba 23:02, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
 * I want to know the authors and it's hell of fun to research about them (mostly) I like how at the first post I was thinking for 10 minutes about how to write the first sentance and now it all goes pretty smooth. It helps formulating knowledge in short ways, when you're writing in a wiki. I have no reason to be afraid of the license - Why shoul I :) --Qubodup 00:17, 30 August 2007 (CEST)


 * Hey guys, I am very interested in this project and hope it can get going but (already) have a concern about the licensing because neither the GNU FDL or CCA are compatible with the GNU GPL which around 70% of all Free Software is already under. My vote is to use the GNU GPLv3 instead of the GNU FDL so that game art, screenshots and code snippets never conflict with the projects they apply to.  Just my two cents.  -- AGNUcius
 * Images are not considered automatically licensed under the GNU FDL nor CC. We got to make that clear. You should get an account.--Kiba 21:31, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

Wikipedia Fork
I want to know why you don't make use of the wikipeida content, its under the same license so you are free to "fork" the wikipedia content on free games. If you did this rather than attempting to start all the articles from scratch the wiki would be far more useful and comprehensive. If your main aim is to have somewhere to document FLOSS games without having to worry about the stupid wikipedia notability police it would seem to make sense. Its like code reuse, the wikipedia content is perfectly good, don't have a "not invented here" attitude.Htaccess 23:57, 8 September 2007 (CEST)
 * Because it could get potentially very legally complicated. I am very conscious of copyright law and that's why I am watchful for copyright infringement materials. Copyright law is not very intuitive. Plus I don't have a copyright lawyer to help me sort out legal mess. I doubt Software Freedom Law Center would help such a small group like us.


 * We wouldn't want to import Wikipedia contents on such a large scale because it will distort our sense of progress and in some case, be overwhelming. Though I do have a "not invented here" attitude. It does have practical benefit to not import wikipedia contents, mainly with search engine ranking. You see, copied contents would damage our search engine ranking which in turn mean less visitors, which over time slow down the wiki's growth.--Kiba 00:14, 9 September 2007 (CEST)

Rejected games
You need to have a rejected games page/list where you give clear reasons why a game has been removed from a list / rejected. You are going to keep seening games like warsow, urban terror, sauerbraten etc. added. You need to give some clear reasons why they were removed that you can point to or you will have to remove them again and again and explain on the talk pages. I say this based on my experience editing lists like the List of free first-person shooters at wikipedia. Htaccess 00:04, 9 September 2007 (CEST)
 * That would be useful. You could do it yourself, though.--Kiba 00:16, 9 September 2007 (CEST)
 * Libregamewiki:Rejected games list --77.177.158.241 08:01, 13 September 2007 (CEST)