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SuperTuxKart

2022-03-24T08:12:11Z

Arlo James Barnes: /* Characters */ new section

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{{gameinfo
|title = SuperTuxKart
|image = Image:Supertuxkart-0.8.1-screenshot-4.png
|caption = SuperTuxKart
|genre = [[:category:racing games|Racing game]]
|developer =
|code license = [[GNU General Public License|GPLv3]]<ref>''SuperTuxKart'' is based on [[TuxKart]] which is released under GPL3</ref>
|media license = Since version 0.8 all free licenses (Gnu GPL 2.0 and 3.0+, Creative-Commons-BY(-SA) 3.0, Public Domain)<ref>[https://supertuxkart.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/supertuxkart/main/trunk/COPYING SuperTuxKart's SVN COPYING]</ref>; user-made karts and tracks may be nonfree but are not in the game's repository
|engine =
|latest release = 1.3
|release date = September 28{{th}}, 2021
|release date iso = 2021-09-28
|release announcement = https://blog.supertuxkart.net/2021/09/supertuxkart-13-release.html
|language = [[:Category:C++ games|C++]]
|library = [[Irrlicht]] fork, [[Bullet_Physics|Bullet]] and [[OpenAL]]
|platforms = {{Windows}}, {{Linux}}, {{Mac}}
|link homepage = http://supertuxkart.net
|link blog = http://blog.supertuxkart.net
|link chatweb = https://web.libera.chat/gamja?channel=#stk&nick=mascot$$$
|chat = irc://chat.freenode.net/#stk
|link feed = https://sourceforge.net/p/supertuxkart/news/feed.rss
|link forum = http://forum.freegamedev.net/viewforum.php?f=16
|link pad = http://supertuxkart.sourceforge.net/pad_file.xml
|link project = http://supertuxkart.net/Community
|link tracker = https://github.com/supertuxkart/stk-code/issues
|link scmweb = https://github.com/supertuxkart/stk-code
|scm = git clone https://github.com/supertuxkart/stk-code.git
}}

{{repositories
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|Slack = supertuxkart
|Debian = supertuxkart
|Fedora = supertuxkart
|Ubuntu = supertuxkart
|Gentoo = games-action/supertuxkart
|Mageia = supertuxkart
|Flatpak = net.supertuxkart.SuperTuxKart
|Snap = supertuxkart
|FreeBSD = supertuxkart
|Haiku = games-action/supertuxkart
|Suse = supertuxkart
}}

'''''SuperTuxKart''''' is a [[:Category:racing games|racing]] game featuring various Free Software mascots (see [[#Characters]]). It is an enhanced fork of [[TuxKart]].<ref>[http://supertuxkart.sourceforge.net/history.html SuperTuxKart's history page]</ref><ref>[http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=202302 Download page] for the SuperTuxKart project hosted by SourceForge.net</ref> It is written in the [[:Category:C++ games|C++]] programming language. It uses [[Antarctica]] (a heavily modified version of [[Irrlicht]] engine) for graphics and [[OpenAL]] for sounds.<ref>[http://supertuxkart.sourceforge.net/FAQ#What_are_the_dependencies_of_STK_.3F STK FAQ] accessed on October 21th, 2008.</ref>

SuperTuxKart was worked on by the [[Game of the Month|GotM]] team through July to December 2004.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20100615073805/http://www.happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1407 SuperTuxKart's GotM proposal thread] accessed by the wayback machine on June 15th, 2010.</ref>

== Characters ==

Current roster (does not include add-ons):

* [[Adiumy]] - [[Adium]] IM client
* [[Amanda]] - [[Windowmaker]] (NeXtStEp)
* [[Beastie]] - [[FreeBSD]] OS
* [[Emule]] - [[Emule]] filesharing client for the eDonkey2000 network
* [[Gavroche]] - [[MediaGoblin]] media server
* [[Gnu]] - [[GNU]] Project
* [[Hexley]] - [[Darwin]] kernel
* [[Kiki]] - [[Krita]] paint software
* [[Konqi]] - [[KDE]] desktop environment
* [[Nolok]] - original character (villain)
* [[Pepper]] - ''[[Pepper&Carrot]]'' webcomic and games
* [[Pidgin]] - [[Pidgin]] IM client
* [[Puffy]] - [[OpenBSD]] OS
* [[Sara]] - [[OpenGameArt]] repository
* [[Suzanne]] - [[Blender]] 3D design software
* [[Tux]] - [[Linux]] kernel (title character)
* [[Wilber]] - the [[GIMP]] image editor
* [[Xue]] - [[Xfce]] desktop environment

formerly:

* [[elePHPant]] - [[PHP]] programming language

== Gameplay ==

SuperTuxKart can be played in single player mode, including a single player campaign, split screen multiplayer on a single computer, or online multiplayer.<ref>These are options in the main menu.</ref> In story mode the player unlocks new characters and races by points scored from achieving a given ranking in a race at a given difficulty setting. Completing all races unlocks the door to a boss race against [[Nolok]].

The player chooses a Free Software mascot to play as. Each character has a mass, max speed, max acceleration, and nitro efficiiency stat.

There are several different types of race. In normal races the characters can collect powerups such as the parachute (which slows down enemy racers) or nitro boosts as well as there being random negative status effects from picking up banana peels. In a time trial there are no powerups. In a grand prix, the player must try to score the most points over several race tracks. Several more types of race exist.

== Development ==

The first official version of the game was released in September 2006 as version 0.2.

They have a milestone page planning several versions ahead,<ref>[http://supertuxkart.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Milestones SuperTuxKart's milestone page]</ref> and a forum on [[FreeGameDev.net]] to coordinate development effort.

The game switched to the [[Irrlicht Engine|Irrlicht]] graphics engine in version 0.7.<ref>[http://supertuxkart.blogspot.com/2009/02/plans-for-stk-07.html Blogpost detailing the planned features for STK]</ref>

From version 0.8.2 the game uses a custom [[Antarctica]] engine, based on Irrlicht.<ref>[https://supertuxkart.net/Antarctica:_Overview Antarctica: Overview]</ref>

===History===
[[Charles Goodwin]] proposed the project for [[Game of the Month|GoTM]].

The GOTM project was started with the original developer of TuxKart on board, [[Steve Baker]]. However, the project goes nowhere Steve Bakers argue with other developers about the direction of the project. Eventually in December 2004, the project was considered dead by [[Ingo Ruhnke]] and the work forked off.<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tux#Video_games_list Steve Baker on the history of TuxKart]</ref>

According to Steve Baker, the [[Game of the Month|GoTM]] development team didn't know anything about 3D graphics at all and refused to take his advice. They broke the game, leaving it in an unrunnable and unplayable state.<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tux#Video_games_list Steve Baker on the history of TuxKart]</ref>

Eventually the project was picked up by somebody else and was developed to the status it is today.<ref>[http://freegamer.blogspot.com/2007/04/interview-ingo-ruhnke-aka-grumbel.html Ingo Ruhnke interview mentioned the end status of SuperTuxKart] accessed on October 23, 2008.</ref>

=== Contributors ===



The development team for SuperTuxKart currently consists of three core members<ref>https://supertuxkart.net/Team</ref>:

* Marianne "Auria" Gagnon, Main Developer;
* Jean-Manuel "samuncle" Clemençon, Lead Artist;
* and Typhon306, Artist.

There were formerly 4 core members :

* Joerg "Hiker" Henrichs;
* Marianne and Jean-Manuel as above;
* and Stephen Just (add-ons website).

==Version history==
{|class="sortable"
!Version !!Date !!Notes
|-
| 0.2
| 2006-10-03
| Initial release
|-
| 0.3
| 2007-07-10
|
|-
| 0.3 <ref>[http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=530156&group_id=202302 Release note for 0.3 on sourceforge.net] accessed on October 22nd, 2008.</ref>
| 2007-07-10
| It add support for fullscreen mode, new karts, improved AIs, high score lists among others feature addition.
|-
| 0.4 <ref>[http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=581814&group_id=202302 Release note for 0.4 on sourceforge.net] accessed on October 23th, 2008.</ref>
| 2008-05-05
| There were the usual improvements in kart, AIs, and tracks. Also, better physics and improved GUI and input handling were added.
|-
|0.5 <ref>[http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=603462&group_id=202302 Release note for 0.5 on sourceforge.net] accessed on October 24th, 2008.</ref>
| 2008-06-01
| Several new and improved tracks were added. The player has to complete the challenge mode to unlock the tracks. Also the GUI and gaming control handling were improved.
|-
| 0.6
| 2009-01-15
| New game mode 3 strikes battle, New sounds and music
|-
| 0.6.1
| 2009-02-25
| New kart (Puffy) and Bug fixes
|-
| 0.6.2
| 2009-07-07
| Bug fixes
|-
| 0.7
| 2010-12-15
| New game engine, new tracks, new GUI and several improvements
|-
| 0.7.1
| 2011-04-20
| New particle system and weather (rain, snow)
|-
| 0.7.2
| 2011-07-15
| Bug fixes and an addons manager
|-
| 0.7.3
| 2011-11-02
| New tracks and new items
|-
| 0.8
| 2012-12-10
| AI improved, new skidding and several tracks improved. A new way to unlock tracks with the story mode
|-
| 0.8.1 <ref>[http://supertuxkart.blogspot.com/2013/11/supertuxkart-081-released.html Release announcement for 0.8.1] accessed on January 10{{th}}, 2014</ref>
| 2013-12-26
| Several bug fixes, new karts, Wiimote support and game modes (soccer and egg hunt).
|-
| 0.9 <ref>[https://github.com/supertuxkart/stk-code/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md GitHub release notes]</ref>
| 2015-04-23
| New tracks and karts, online login, different kart physics.
|-
| 0.9.1
| 2015-10-18
| Many bug fixes and small improvements.
|-
| 0.9.2
| 2016-07-01
| New tracks, TTF font rendering, track editor improvement.
|-
| 0.9.3
| 2017-11-20
| Performance, graphics and physics improvements, new karts and tracks, new smooth camera.
|-
| 1.0 <ref>http://blog.supertuxkart.net/2019/04/supertuxkart-10-release.html</ref>
| 2019-04-20
| Network and online multiplayer, new tracks, new game modes.
|-
| 1.1 <ref>http://blog.supertuxkart.net/2020/01/supertuxkart-11-released.html</ref>
| 2020-01-05
| Online multiplayer improvements, UI enhancements, iOS support, new track.
|-
| 1.2 <ref>https://blog.supertuxkart.net/2020/08/supertuxkart-12-release.html</ref>
| 2020-08-27
| New kart (Kiki), Haiku support, team chat in team multiplayer modes, graphics improvements.
|}

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:3D games]][[Category:OpenGL games]]

==External links==
*[http://supertuxkart.sourceforge.net/ SuperTuxKart homepage]
[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Racing games]]
[[Category:C++ games]]
[[Category:GPL games]]
[[Category:OpenGL games]]
[[Category:OpenAL games]]

Libregamewiki:Community portal

2022-03-24T07:42:20Z

Arlo James Barnes: /* Adopt F-Droid's system of tagging anti-features. */ suggestion

Here is a place to discuss ideas and coordinate improvments to the LibreGameWiki itself.

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Feel free to [https://libregamewiki.org/index.php?title=Libregamewiki:Community_portal&action=edit&section=new ask] questions on this page. By the way, do you know the [[Libregamewiki:The classroom|FAQ]] and [[Libregamewiki:Article policy‎|Article policy‎]]?

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== How do we make it easier for potential contributors to help? ==

How can we make it easier for potential contributors to help? Since the beginning of October account creation works without red tape again. This is a great step forward. Is there anything we can do to further improve the articles explaining how to contribute?
:Well, for once, we might want to fix the following explanation, which I see whenever I try to create a new page, hours after creating my account: "If you just created a new account, please wait a couple of minutes". :)
:[Edit: now I can create the page fine. Thank you.]
:It would be great if you could give a rank to users that contribute to wiki, which would save them from long pending periods. Saying that as an amazingly impatient person. --[[User:Yutyo|Yutyo]] ([[User talk:Yutyo|talk]])

== Main Page ==
I think it may be a good idea to have a little paragraph at the top of the main page which explains what LibreGameWiki is.
:The front page links to [[Libregamewiki]] which is currently outdated, the main page could have a summary with more detail on that page. [[User:Kymara|Kymara]] ([[User talk:Kymara|talk]]) 12:31, 6 October 2012 (CEST)
Shall we have a small "How to contribute?" or "Help wanted" section on the main page which links to the relevant articles? What would it look like?
:Yes. It should link to an updated [[Libregamewiki:Article_policy]] and [[List of games]] [[User:Kymara|Kymara]] ([[User talk:Kymara|talk]]) 12:31, 6 October 2012 (CEST)
: There could also be a portal for this in the side bar. [[User:Kymara|Kymara]] ([[User talk:Kymara|talk]]) 12:47, 6 October 2012 (CEST)

== Which article should be featured next? ==

There is quite a number of very good articles. I think we should change the featured article on the main page more frequently to draw attention to them.

:Yes, I already asked a recent productive user, [[User:GNUbie|GNUbie]] for his thoughts for the next one. Generally, we should ask the wider community to help choose somehow. [[User:Kymara|Kymara]] ([[User talk:Kymara|talk]]) 12:32, 6 October 2012 (CEST)
::In my opinion we should pick a reasonably good article to feature next, and give it a little special attention. The information in the current feature is already years out of date. I'd suggest the [[Special:LongPages]] list as a good place to start looking. [[FreedroidRPG]] and [[Globulation 2]] are examples which could be easily made into a good feature. Input would be needed from someone who has rights to pick a featured article. [[User:FacelessLinuxUser|FacelessLinuxUser]] ([[User talk:FacelessLinuxUser|talk]]) 14:24, 27 December 2021 (CET)

== Engines for non-free games with no free games using them ==

Hi. Should free remakes of engines for non-free games be accepted as free engines, if they have never been (and not necessarily intended to be) used for a playable free game yet? Examples: [[OpenMW]], [http://www.etlegacy.com/ Enemy Territory: Legacy]. --[[User:AVRS|AVRS]] ([[User talk:AVRS|talk]]) 12:35, 28 November 2012 (CET)
:My two pence: I'd class those as free engines. Their use case is irrelevant, and it could be considered as a matter of timing, for example: a free engine which was created and then later used for a non-free game doesn't make the engine non-free.[[User:Kymara|Kymara]] ([[User talk:Kymara|talk]]) 12:46, 28 November 2012 (CET)
There is already [[OpenMoHAA]], so I guess other non-free game engine recreations are allowed as well. [[User:Matthias|Matthias]] ([[User talk:Matthias|talk]]) 10:56, 26 January 2021 (CET)

== Game articles redirecting to genre list ==

I'm seeing odd behavior. If I try to go to the following articles:

* https://libregamewiki.org/Freedroid_RPG
* https://libregamewiki.org/PARPG

I get redirected to the RPG genre page:

https://libregamewiki.org/Role-playing_games

If I use non-rewrite links, however, they seem to work.

* https://libregamewiki.org/index.php?title=Freedroid_RPG
* https://libregamewiki.org/index.php?title=PARPG

Could there perhaps be an error in the URL rewriting rules?

--[[User:Cov|Cov]] ([[User talk:Cov|talk]]) 22:33, 31 August 2013 (CEST)

: Thank you for the report. I fixed it. --[[User:Hendrik Brummermann|Hendrik Brummermann]] ([[User talk:Hendrik Brummermann|talk]]) 17:04, 8 September 2013 (CEST)

==License Choice==

The CC-BY is a non-copyleft license, and unless I'm mistaken, the GFDL is a copyleft license, which is why CC-BY-SA was chosen for Wikipedia when it dual-licensed to make it compatible with other CC sites. If I'm correct, this wiki is currently under two licenses which contradict each other on the question of copyleft, which is confusing. Why wasn't the CC-BY-SA license chosen for LGW? This would allow relevant to content to be imported from and exported to Wikipedia and other CC-BY-SA sites (with appropriate attribution of course). --[[User:Strypey|Strypey]] ([[User talk:Strypey|talk]]) 08:04, 11 January 2014 (CET)

: The CC-BY was chosen to make it easy for third parties to use content from LibreGameWiki. The GFDL was considered non-free by Debian and Debian is quite an authority as the Open Source Definition is based on Debian guidelines. It was kept as alternative to make it easy to copy content from LibreGameWiki to Wikipedia. Wikipedia and the FSF later pulled a stunt of releasing a new version of the GFDL with the Lex Wikipedia clause, allowing Wikipedia to move to a completely different license. LGW content, however, was licensed as GFDL 1.2 without the backdoor "or later". And personally, after this stunt, I don't think "or later" is a good idea at all. --[[User:Gamfan|Gamfan]] ([[User talk:Gamfan|talk]]) 08:16, 11 January 2014 (CET)

:: For the record, the change to the GFDL was made to allow Wikipedia (and other multi-collaborator works) to dual-license with CC-BY-SA, which is identical to the GFDL where it counts (eg attribution, copyleft), although it happens to lacks the "invariant sections" and "transparency" terms that made Debian declare the GFDL non-free. Both CC-BY and CC-BY-SA are free culture licenses: http://creativecommons.org/freeworks Practically speaking, the purpose of having a wiki under a license is to inform the user about what they can and can't do with its contents. The GFDL tells the user they must put derivative works under the same license (copyleft), while the CC-BY says they don't. This is confusing. Can I use sections of LGW within an ARR (All-Rights-Reserved) work or not? Is this wiki copyleft, or it isn't? If it is copyleft, shouldn't the CC-BY-SA needs to be used to let the user know that? If it isn't copyleft, shouldn't the GFDL be dropped to make this clear? --[[User:Strypey|Strypey]] ([[User talk:Strypey|talk]]) 05:49, 12 January 2014 (CET)

::: It is very simple: If you you contribute to LibreGameWiki, you must license your work as CC-BY und GFDL. If you want to use content from LGW, you can pick the license you want to comply with. Please keep in mind that copyleft is only one of the difference between the licenses (please read the full text of both licenses to learn about other demands required by each of the licenses). --[[User:Gamfan|Gamfan]] ([[User talk:Gamfan|talk]]) 13:21, 12 January 2014 (CET)

:::: I intended to answer, but I got an edit conflict earlier. Anyway, some points:
::::* Being CC-BY licensed, this wiki's text can be contributed to Wikipedia if properly attributed: see [http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Can_I_include_a_work_licensed_with_CC_BY_in_a_Wikipedia_article_even_though_they_use_a_CC_BY-SA_license.3F CC FAQ] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Compatible_license#Can_I_add_something_to_Wikipedia_that_I_got_from_somewhere_else.3F Wikipedia copyright FAQ].
::::*Wikipedia is not entirely dual-licensed: all of it is available under CC-BY-SA (except the ''fairly used'' stuff). On the other hand, the GFDL does not necessarily apply to text added after the project voted to use the CC license - you have to check this yourself if you'd like to use a Wikipedia article under the GFDL.

:::::: I'm pretty sure this is incorrect. When I edit Wikipedia it says "By clicking the "Save page" button, you agree to the Terms of Use and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License *and* the GFDL..." (emphasis mine) --[[User:Strypey|Strypey]] ([[User talk:Strypey|talk]]) 10:50, 6 November 2015 (CET)

::::*As I recall, Debian only considers the GFDL non-free if there are invariant sections involved, see [http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 this vote]. What is the problematic "transparency" term?
::::*The lack of a "or later" clause precludes our stuff from being used in the [http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Main_Page Free Software Directory]. This may be a pity, because their goal is rather similar to ours. -- [[User:StevenDH|StevenDH]] ([[User talk:StevenDH|talk]]) 19:40, 12 January 2014 (CET)

:::::: Is the copyright in LGW content owned by the original author(s) or the project? If there was a consensus among all LGW copyright holders, the content could be relicensed under any license they choose. This would not revoke previous licenses on the same content, but would apply to all existing content, and only the new license would apply to new content. As I said initially, I can't see the benefit of using CC-BY for a collaborative reference wiki, and I think CC-BY-SA would be a better choice, as it means any improvements made in derivative works are available to be backported into LGW. --[[User:Strypey|Strypey]] ([[User talk:Strypey|talk]]) 10:50, 6 November 2015 (CET)

== Libregamewiki uses an invalid security certificate ==

Hi, I do not know if the Community portal is the right place to report this type of problem. But I have not been able to find any better place.

When connecting to libregamewiki, some web-browsers (Mozilla based: firefox, iceweasel, icecat, seamonkey etc.) displays a warning page stating "This Connection is Untrusted". I have tested this on several computers with several browsers with both GNU/Linux and Windows OS, so it seems to be a problem that applies to everyone that uses these browsers.

The following details are given:

-libregamewiki.org uses an invalid security certificate.

-The certificate is not trusted because no issuer chain was provided.

-(Error code: sec_error_unknown_issuer)

--[[User:LibreGamer|Hurdman]] ([[User talk:LibreGamer|talk]]) 15:34, 8 February 2015 (CET)

: As of March 21, 2015 this problem no longer occurs. I am guessing that the security certificate has been updated. --[[User:LibreGamer|Hurdman]] ([[User talk:LibreGamer|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2015 (CET)

== A few things: Thanks for fighting spam ==
Hopefully the Argentinian/Brazilian wiki spammers have no places left...

I am inquiring about the Public Domain version of Rogue,
and the BSD version of Rogue.

I posess a copy of the Public Domain version of Rogue,
and have screen shots of the screens, which wikisneeripedia
seems not able to read 'Public Domain."

If need be, I can contact either Michael Toy or Glenn Wichman ( who published the sources to the PC Version/Commercial version) about
verifying the public domain version is indeed the public domain version.

== Article looks like ... data corruption?! ==

The article [[SDL_games]] is messed up. Even the old version that was ok some months ago is ... corrupted? --[[User:Gegxt|Gegxt]] ([[User talk:Gegxt|talk]]) 16:52, 27 July 2015 (CEST)

: Could you specify what looks corrupted? To me the article looks fine. [[User:LibreGamer|LibreGamer]] ([[User talk:LibreGamer|talk]]) 17:46, 31 July 2015 (CEST)

::Now I see it. It was only visible if one views the article after logging in. When not logged in the article looks fine. [[User:LibreGamer|LibreGamer]] ([[User talk:LibreGamer|talk]]) 17:46, 31 July 2015 (CEST)

:: I fixed the template, thanks for the hint. --[[User:Hendrik Brummermann|Hendrik Brummermann]] ([[User talk:Hendrik Brummermann|talk]]) 19:18, 31 July 2015 (CEST)

::: I can confirm the fix. Thanks for fixing. (section can be deleted / archived) --[[User:Gegxt|Gegxt]] ([[User talk:Gegxt|talk]]) 14:38, 8 August 2015 (CEST)

== Copying from Wikipedia ==

I note the warning at the bottom of edit pages not to copy from Wikipedia. I'm assuming this is out of date, as Wikipedia is now dual-licensed under CC-BY-SA 3.0? If so, it would be good to remove that warning, as there is a lot of useful material about libre games that could be imported to this wiki.

This is particularly important in view of the massive pruning of Wikipedia that appears to be going on, with many articles being deleted on the basis that their subject is not "notable" enough to have a page in an Encyclopedia. This problem has disturbed Wikipedians enough that one (or a group?) has set up the [http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Speedy_deletion_Wiki SpeedyDeletion] wiki to rescue pages before they are removed, in case their contents are still of interest to other wikis like this one.
--[[User:Strypey|Strypey]] ([[User talk:Strypey|talk]]) 06:17, 6 October 2015 (CEST)

:Hi there. I'm afraid the warning has to remain as this wiki is cc-by or gfdl and wikipedia is cc-by-sa. (If you combine those cc license, the end result is the stricter of those, i.e. the one used by wikipedia) [[User:GNUbie|GNUbie]] ([[User talk:GNUbie|talk]]) 13:59, 12 October 2015 (CEST)

::Oops! I didn't notice the lack of the "SA" part of the LGW license when I made this post, and I totally forgot I already started a discussion about license choice further up. As I said there, all Wikipedia content is licensed under both CC-BY-SA *and* GPFDL. If content was imported from Wikipedia, it would have to be marked as such, to indicate that it can't not be used under CC-BY. --[[User:Strypey|Strypey]] ([[User talk:Strypey|talk]]) 10:40, 6 November 2015 (CET)

== Posting images ==

Hi!
I try to help someone to edit his game's page. Yesterday, his IP was block cause abuse (probably tried to much html lines to make edit as he wanted). I looked all around your site to understand how to post an image through your site, and choose categories for his game, but found nothing about it. Is there somewhere an option to make it directly?
-How upload an image on your site (I think it will be ok to post it on the edit of the game's page, but would be appreciated to have the exact html line to be sure)
-How to add categories for a game.

P.S.: maybe there is an error on the chat... you let us know that we can connect as guest, but all times I tried, this don't work, cause I don't have a nickname.

Thanks a lot in advance for your help!

Answers could be send to tricotvanille2003@hotmail.com, or directly to the member Electro l.i.b

== Spam & blocking users/IP ==

On the "Recent changes" page, I see there's a lot of spam-fighting going on. It's good that LGW is being valiantly defended against the incessant spam bots, but I think the Abuse filter is sometimes a little quick to block well meaning users. The anonymous user recently working on the Liberated Pixel Cup page, and two weeks ago even the registered user Lanadapter got on the block list, presumably because they made a series of small edits in a short time. Would it be possible to differentiate a bit better between real editors and spammer, so that we don't turn down actual contributors (while keeping the spam out, of course)? -- [[User:StevenDH|StevenDH]] ([[User talk:StevenDH|talk]]) 15:24, 14 February 2017 (CET)

== Lists and categories ==

Wouldn't be better to direct the reader to categories of games, instead of lists of games by genre, like [[Roguelike games]]? The list can get easily outdated.

== Board games page broken ==

When I'm logged in, I can see an up-to-date version of [[Board games]], but when I'm not logged in, I can only see a very old version from 2013. Could the reason be that this page was protected in 2012? If yes, could you remove the protection or ensure otherwise that the autogeneration by the bot works again and the generated page is visible to all users? Thanks --[[User:Blokusguy|Blokusguy]] ([[User talk:Blokusguy|talk]]) 07:42, 29 July 2017 (CEST)

== How to add a game? ==

# Please [[Special:CreateAccount|create an account]] with mail adress and confirm that you own the mail adress. The create account link is also available in the upper right corner. There may be traps against spammer. Read the pages after sending a request for login creation or changing a page!
# Read the [[Libregamewiki:Article_policy|Article policy]] and other articles from [[Libregamewiki:Get_involved|Get involved]]
# Make sure you are logged in and in the "Autoconfirmed users" group. Details can be found on your [[Special:Preferences|Preferences]] page.
# Enter the title of the new page in the search box in the upper right corner and search for it. Before the search results, if there are some, there is a bold line with "Create the page "Example game name" on this wiki!" (I searched for "Example game name"). The "Example game name" is a link for creating a new page. If this line doesn't appear, make sure you clicked the confirmation link in the confirmation mail.
# When creating a new page, there are links to templates for games, humans and redirects above the big text box. Click on a template before entering text.
# If the link to the game home page isn't shown in the text add a == External Links == section with the URL

== Unable to auto confirm account ==

I can't create pages add I'm a member of group Users but not Auto confirmed Users. I didn't receive a confirmation message. I tried changing my email address but still no. Can you resend a confirmation message or confirm my account? Thanks! Eagle

:I'm now an Auto Confirmed Users group, not sure how that happened exactly. --[[User:Eagle|Eagle]] ([[User talk:Eagle|talk]]) 18:56, 27 January 2018 (CET)
:: The same happened to me. -- [[User:Nudin|Nudin]] ([[User talk:Nudin|talk]]) 20:37, 19 January 2019 (CET)

I have the same problem. I can't autoconfirm. Could you send me a confirmation email? thanks,
qbancoffee

I can't autoconfirm as well. Can you send a confirmation email or confirm my account? Thanks! -- Bitsplit

== How to add games to genre listings? ==

How to add a game to the genre listings page, [[Educational games]] and [[GPL games]]? Or does that happen on its own after the game has been added to the appropriate category? Thank you! :) --[[User:Eagle|Eagle]] ([[User talk:Eagle|talk]]) 18:55, 27 January 2018 (CET)

: Yes, those pages are periodically generated based on the categories. --[[User:Hendrik Brummermann|Hendrik Brummermann]] ([[User talk:Hendrik Brummermann|talk]]) 00:01, 27 February 2018 (CET)

== Vandalism ==

Hi!

I think [[Special:Contributions/95.70.132.254|contributions by 95.70.132.254]] should be mass reverted (and maybe this IP blocked). —[[Special:Contributions/2A01:CB11:421:F500:6E5E:2123:F965:8FC4|2A01:CB11:421:F500:6E5E:2123:F965:8FC4]] 02:02, 26 November 2018 (CET)

: That IP was banned and all vandalism reverted --[[User:Hendrik Brummermann|Hendrik Brummermann]] ([[User talk:Hendrik Brummermann|talk]]) 22:14, 27 November 2018 (CET)

:: It's being vadalized every day from a different IP. They completely mess up the game tables. Can we do something about it? Better filters/bots? Disallow anonymous edits? [[User:Drummyfish|Drummyfish]] ([[User talk:Drummyfish|talk]]) 21:56, 23 December 2018 (CET)

::: Looking at the Recent Changes, it appears the wave of one-letter vandals has been stopped, right? Cheers to that! --[[User:StevenDH|StevenDH]] ([[User talk:StevenDH|talk]]) 23:09, 14 March 2019 (CET)

== Version updates from Wikidata? ==

New versions come all the time and it's tedious to update manually. [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page Wikidata] might have many of the items here and could get updated more often than LGW. Their data is in the public domain. Can somebody figure out how to incorporate it automagically? That would help keeping up to date also the recent releases box on the front page of LGW. --[[User:GNUbie|GNUbie]] ([[User talk:GNUbie|talk]]) 11:51, 22 January 2019 (CET)
: [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability Wikidata:Notability] requires that a page exists in one of its sister projects and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(video_games) Wikipedia:Notability (video games)] is much stricter than what can be included in Libregamewiki. I doubt that using Wikidata would help much with keeping the list of new releases up-to-date. --[[User:Blokusguy|Blokusguy]] ([[User talk:Blokusguy|talk]]) 13:18, 10 February 2019 (CET)
:: Wiki page existence is not the only criterion for notability. F/OSS games fall under at least the second one ("clearly identifiable conceptual or material entity" which "can be described using serious and publicly available references"), and in many cases the third one ("it is needed to make statements made in other items more useful"), when it can be linked to the author. --[[User:AMDmi3|AMDmi3]] ([[User talk:AMDmi3|talk]]) 21:05, 28 October 2019 (CET)
::: Additionally, LGW is in most cases a 'serious and publically-available reference'. [[User:Arlo James Barnes|Arlo James Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo James Barnes|talk]]) 09:26, 23 January 2020 (CET)
:It could help with popular projects like [[OpenTTD]] which also have a Wikipedia page and update frequently. [[User:Matthias|Matthias]] ([[User talk:Matthias|talk]]) 15:04, 7 February 2021 (CET)

== Duplicated reference names break genre pages ==

Problem: I.e. [[:Category:Pages with reference errors]] (yes red link but still go ahead and click!). Open one of those list articles and scroll down to the bottom of the page where the references are to see the errors with the similarly named references between the included articles.

Solutions?: Perhaps the references could be somehow removed from the genre list articles? Of course the silly solution would be to manually edit the articles to change ref names... but that's a lot of work and not exactly future proof. --[[User:GNUbie|GNUbie]] ([[User talk:GNUbie|talk]]) 14:19, 25 January 2019 (CET)

== Machine readable dump of wikidata entries metadata ==

For the [https://repology.org Repology] project, I need a complete list of all games with their versions, homepages and preferably other metadata. Among other this this would allow to discover more [https://repology.org/projects/?inrepo=libregamewiki&outdated=1 outdated version information] in LGW and also to link ([https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q214142#P6666 example]) Wikidata entries to LGW.

Currently, Repology parses [[New_games_and_releases]] page, however it does not seem to contain all entries. For instance, [[BZFlag]], [[Colobot]], [[Freeciv]] are missing despide they fulfill the requirements listed at the buttom of New games page.

It would be great if all conforming games would be listed on that page, even better if there's an extra special page which lists all entries with <tt>latest release</tt> defined, probably in more parsing friendly format (e.g., a table, or even better an XML/JSON file).

--[[User:AMDmi3|AMDmi3]] ([[User talk:AMDmi3|talk]]) 21:24, 28 October 2019 (CET)

: You can query the database with <nowiki>{{#databasequery:gamelist|Wikitable|Game list header|Game list row|%}}</nowiki>. This will render a table with all games (% is a wildcard) with the [[Template:Game list header]] as table header and [[Template:Game list row]] as table row. In the second template all variables defined in the Gameinfo box can be used. Both templates are used on [[List of games]], but you can create your own template. Colobot was on the list. BZFlag and Freeciv showed up after I edited the article and saved it without changes. I am not sure why that happened. --[[User:Hendrik Brummermann|Hendrik Brummermann]] ([[User talk:Hendrik Brummermann|talk]]) 22:28, 18 November 2019 (CET)

== Pending review ==

What is the policy on "pending review" edits? I mean, after how many edits is a user free to edit without supervision. Checking your work while you commit it (especially if it is multistaged, as in "add image + add new article") is very useful. [[User:Ffa|Ffa]] ([[User talk:Ffa|talk]]) 09:57, 17 December 2019 (CET)
:I also don't understand why you still think I am a spam bot. Saving an article and not seeing any result is a terrible user experience. Another problem: this creates broken links because the articles get aggregated on the front page, but both image and article are unavailable. [[User:Matthias|Matthias]] ([[User talk:Matthias|talk]]) 09:43, 16 February 2022 (CET)
::I have been granted rights to edit without review after a significant number of edits. My personal opinion is that LGW would receive better content by following the recommended best practice, which is to have edits automatically accepted as soon as there is enough evidence to see that a user is a real person (or at least a real person making helpful edits). If the user then misbehaves, consequences can be applied. The way it is currently takes a heavy toll on the patience of new users who might give up even before creating an account. This skews the ratio of spammers to users over time, where I have to invoke the law of unintended consequences: It could well be making moderation harder in the long term by making helpful edits a smaller percentage of the total. I don't make the rules; I am merely a guest here. I hope that [[User:Kiba | our gracious host]] would find the suggestion helpful and consider it. [[User:FacelessLinuxUser|FacelessLinuxUser]] ([[User talk:FacelessLinuxUser|talk]]) 15:48, 17 February 2022 (CET)

== Not easy to contribute to the wiki ==

I opened a thread on freegamedev forum, I will link to it here too so to hopefully get more replies. [https://forum.freegamedev.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=13062 thread]. [[User:Ffa|Ffa]] ([[User talk:Ffa|talk]]) 16:39, 20 March 2020 (CET)

:Hey Ffa! I completely understand your frustration. However there has been a problem with spammers so LGW was forced to adopt some kind of a solution to deal with them. I think this is a reasonable compromise. Certainly not perfect but I think the Powers That Be are open for improvement suggestions. Thank you for the contributions and this feedback. --[[User:GNUbie|GNUbie]] ([[User talk:GNUbie|talk]]) 15:40, 19 March 2020 (CET)

:: Excellent! My suggestion would be: when a user "collects" N edits and has been a member for T time, upgrade their status to "no review required". This might be automatic or (even better) on request of the user themselves. I admit I have zero wiki experience, so I don't know if this is viable. [[User:Ffa|Ffa]] ([[User talk:Ffa|talk]]) 16:39, 20 March 2020 (CET)

:: But it doesn't work properly. Trying to upload an image I get "Please click the save button again. This helps us fight spam", so I click again and get the same message again. Honestly, I'm trying to help and contribute but you make it really, REALLY hard. There *must* be a better way than the complete faff you've made it at the moment.

:::I don't know how it works exactly but I think it uses cookies, allowing those? Please sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. --[[User:GNUbie|GNUbie]] ([[User talk:GNUbie|talk]]) 14:00, 22 July 2020 (CEST)

:::: File uploading does not work very well. I had the same problem and it started working randomly after a few days. And the same thing happened to other users. Some even had to ask me to upload the images. [[User:Rampoina|Rampoina]] ([[User talk:Rampoina|talk]]) 14:13, 22 July 2020 (CEST)

== Free engines with no existing free games ==

Hi, I'd like to ask about this. I see the [[OpenMW]] article was deleted on the basis that it requires the original game files. However my understanding from the article policy is that engines are allowed on Libre Game Wiki even if there are no games for them--and so the question is probably obvious. It is possible to run a total conversion mod on OpenMW with no use of the proprietary data. There are as I understand it some example games in development but nothing concrete. The newer versions of the construction kit can, as I understand it, also create these games standalone without any use of the proprietary Bethesda software. Would it not be appropriate to create an article on the engine? [[User:FacelessLinuxUser|FacelessLinuxUser]] ([[User talk:FacelessLinuxUser|talk]]) 18:54, 8 December 2020 (CET)
:I should add just in case: Yes, there is discussion on OpenMW higher up on the page but it mostly doesn't apply here because that was before the page was deleted and OpenMW has changed considerably. Improvements to the Costruction Set are particularly relevant. [[User:FacelessLinuxUser|FacelessLinuxUser]] ([[User talk:FacelessLinuxUser|talk]]) 17:49, 10 December 2020 (CET)

== Moderation policy ==

Anyone care to explain the moderation policy? Normal recommended practice for mediawiki is to not send every edit from users known to be real people for moderation. I can understand if that is necessary on LGW due to high spam levels. If edits that I made just sit there and don't appear, while edits from other users continue to show up approved day by day, I have no way of knowing if something is wrong. There's no log, no queue visible to me, no rejection notice, nothing. [[User:FacelessLinuxUser|FacelessLinuxUser]] ([[User talk:FacelessLinuxUser|talk]]) 16:32, 27 December 2020 (CET)
:Looks like somebody flagged you as spammer. I have now removed this flag. Your old contributions cannot be automatically accepted anymore. --[[User:GNUbie|GNUbie]] ([[User talk:GNUbie|talk]]) 07:32, 3 February 2021 (CET)
::Thank you, that helped. It may have been due to my recording a large number of very similar small edits adding repository info to pages, perhaps it was even automatic (due to the same edit summary). This thing with the old contributions is a little bit of a mess since now when I edit a page it remembers my version which isn't up to date (e.g. when making this edit I have to manually add your and another comment back in). But it is workable. I hope I don't accidentally delete someone's edit at some point in future by forgetting/negligence. [[User:FacelessLinuxUser|FacelessLinuxUser]] ([[User talk:FacelessLinuxUser|talk]]) 16:56, 4 February 2021 (CET)
I have exactly the same problem. Regards [[User:Matthias|Matthias]] ([[User talk:Matthias|talk]]) 09:59, 6 February 2021 (CET)

== Distro logos ==

Hi, I thought it good that we should add FreeBSD to the list of platforms. The FreeBSD logo is, however, a bit of a grey area w.r.t. the media policy on LGW. (To an extent so are the other distro logos because they are trademarks.) On Wikipedia, for example we see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Freebsd_logo.svg here] that the copyright and trademark issues restrict it to fair usage based on the necessity of using the trademark as a trademark. What's the attitude over here? Do we upload an SVG of the logo and mark it as not under the same licence as the rest of LGW? Do we just leave it blank? Let it default to some kind of "media not allowed" image? [[User:FacelessLinuxUser|FacelessLinuxUser]] ([[User talk:FacelessLinuxUser|talk]]) 16:45, 6 February 2021 (CET)

== Can't upload images ==

I recently created an article for my game but I couldn't upload images. In the upload popup I have selected the image to upload, filled the name and description, but when I click Save, there's an error telling to click again (message about fighting bots), but when I click again the same thing happens, no matter how many times I click...
How can I upload some images for my game's article? [[User:Victords|Victords]] ([[User talk:Victords|talk]]) 11:01, 17 February 2021 (CET)

:Hi! Thanks for your game and the article! I don't know what is wrong, perhaps it's related to cookies? Please sign your messages with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. --[[User:GNUbie|GNUbie]] ([[User talk:GNUbie|talk]]) 09:25, 17 February 2021 (CET)

::Thanks! I was able to upload it in another browser (it now showed a message about going to moderation). Will I be notified somehow when the image is approved? Sorry about not signing, this is my first time using a wiki. [[User:Victords|Victords]] ([[User talk:Victords|talk]]) 11:01, 17 February 2021 (CET)

:::I don't know if you will get notified but I just approved your uploads. No worries and welcome to the wiki world! --[[User:GNUbie|GNUbie]] ([[User talk:GNUbie|talk]]) 14:01, 17 February 2021 (CET)

I get "Internal error: Server failed to store temporary file." so I think it is a technical problem. [[User:Matthias|Matthias]] ([[User talk:Matthias|talk]]) 12:54, 7 March 2021 (CET)

== Game only shows up in category page when logged in ==

Hi, I created a page for my game Super Bombinhas about a month ago and it is marked as Platform game. When I visit the "Platform Games" page anonymously, my game doesn't show up. However, when I access it logged in , the game does show up. The game page itself appears normally for anonyous users. Can someone help? Thanks. [[User:Victords|Victords]] ([[User talk:Victords|talk]]) 23:29, 14 March 2021 (CET)
: Fixed by following https://libregamewiki.org/Platform_games?action=purge --[[User:AVRS|AVRS]] ([[User talk:AVRS|talk]]) 14:18, 15 March 2021 (CET)

==Games without fixed releases==
I've been wondering how to deal with games such as Space Nerds in Space, which deserves an entry but has no official release numbers anywhere that I can find. In other words it's just a repository and basically works by rolling release. Any ideas? [[User:FacelessLinuxUser|FacelessLinuxUser]] ([[User talk:FacelessLinuxUser|talk]]) 18:18, 30 May 2021 (CEST)
: Not really an answer to your question, but still... There's a new page for [[The night wolves attacked the mountain village of Venzone]], where no "latest release" is filled into the Gameinfo template. That seems to work, but it renders the release date inside a <nowiki><pre></nowiki> in the overview of recent releases. -- 16:58, 17 August 2021 (CEST)

==Game info template==
Does anyone understand why [[:Template:Gameinfo]] will properly display the homepage link for some games but not others? "|link homepage(some spaces)=" works in e.g. [[Naev]] but does not work for most of the new games we add. I've noticed that the template is sensitive to plural vs. singular (e.g. "|platform =" must be one and "|platforms =" for multiple) and we have a lot of pages to clean up in that respect. Homepage, on the other hand, I don't understand. The template code looks normal though I'm not that good at mediawiki—just can't get it working. [[User:FacelessLinuxUser|FacelessLinuxUser]] ([[User talk:FacelessLinuxUser|talk]]) 17:50, 10 January 2022 (CET)

== [Suggestion] Use Repology-powered badges ==

Being [https://repology.org/ Repology] a packaging monitor par excellence, it can be useful as an info about which Linux distros (and, more generally, package repositories) contain a certain game.

== Article about game on wikipedia ==
Hello, I created an article about the game Rabbit Escape on wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rabbit_Escape] but it will be the draft article to end. It is better than article about this game on this site. If it interests you, you can copy it

== Adopt F-Droid's system of tagging anti-features. ==

I am proposing to adopt F-Droid's system of tagging anti-features https://f-droid.org/en/docs/Anti-Features

Through the years I have witnessed a disturbing trend of developer-developer, developer-user and user-user communication in libre games leaving libre services for proprietary ones. These services are mostly GitHub and Discord.

Examples of tags would be

* "promotes non-free network services" when the game includes links to Github/Discord on their homepage and/or in the game itself.
* "promotes non-free addons" when the game integrates with Discord/Steam.
-- [[User:ThinkSome|ThinkSome]] 8 February 2022‎

: SourceForge is also non-free, same as BitBucket. Launchpad isn't and itch.io the server also isn't Open Source. Of course, Twitter is non-free. You might as well tag every game on here because they link something that is not a libre web service. I think "promotes" is also a weak argument. If the feature is optional or can even be completely turned off by not compiling against libdiscord-rpc how is that an anti-feature? It doesn't restrict anybody. It is a feature for players, but definitely not an anti-feature like ads or microtransactions. [[User:Matthias|Matthias]] ([[User talk:Matthias|talk]]) 12:23, 20 February 2022 (CET)

:: To use an example from that linked FDroid page, "Tracking - tracks and/or reports your activity to somewhere, even when it can be turned off" -- so being optional or not is less the point than that the user may end up restricting their freedom without intending to. That said, I am in favour of such labelling but only if presented in an informational, non-hostile manner. I agree that purity politics beyond the basic Four Freedoms is beside the point of the wiki, but I also think it's something (potential) players would be interested in knowing. For instance, ThinkSome mentioned Discord; perhaps there could be a standard 'social' article section or infobox to articles listing places to chat, LFG, or otherwise hang out with other players/devs (right now this sort of info is under the Development section of [[template:gameinfo]]), and nonfree venues are marked with a warning sign that has an explanation on hover/click. This way it doesn't seem like a contextless statement. [[User:Arlo James Barnes|Arlo James Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo James Barnes|talk]]) 08:42, 24 March 2022 (CET)

Ingo Ruhnke

2022-03-24T07:24:26Z

Arlo James Barnes: presumably no longer a student 15 years later

{{Featured Article}}
{{Human infobox
|April 7, 1979
|Grumbel
|[[Construo]], [[Feuerkraft]], [[Pingus]], [[Retriever]], [[Robovasion]], [[Windstille]], [[SuperTux]], [[Tux Racer]], and [[Flexlay]]
|
|[[GNU General Public License|GPL]]
|Programmer
}}
[[Image:ingo.jpg|thumb|320px|Ingo Ruhnke]]'''Ingo Ruhnke''' (born April 7, 1979), also known as '''Grumbel''', is a programmer and was a computer science student at the university of Bielefeld in Germany.

== Life ==

Ingo Ruhnke was born in Bielefeld, where he went to the comprehensive school Stieghorst.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20010527062213/privat.schlund.de/g/grumbel/about.html Ingo Ruhnke's about page] on [http://web.archive.org/web/20010603182714/privat.schlund.de/g/grumbel/ his old homepage] - a backup from the [http://archive.org/ Internet Archive]</ref> He was especially successful in math and biology.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20010727073816/privat.schlund.de/j/jan-r/abi/personen/ingo.htm Ingo Ruhnke's student profile] on the [http://web.archive.org/web/20010624125917/privat.schlund.de/j/jan-r/abi/index.htm 1998 Stieghorst Graduates page] - a backup from the [http://archive.org/ Internet Archive]</ref> He graduated from school in 1998 and spent one year in the German army as a paramedic, which he thought was a complete waste of time.<ref>[http://www.gesti.de/Aktu/GestiHPAktuellesAKs.htm Graduates page] on the [http://www.gesti.de/ comprehensive school Stieghorst homepage]</ref><ref>[http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/ Ingo Ruhnke's homepage]</ref>

== Development philosophy ==

Ruhnke has a strategy for starting [[Free software|free game projects]]: Know what the aim is before announcing the project, be prepared to do all the work, don't aim too low.

He also recommends continuing existing projects, instead of creating new ones.<ref>[http://freegamer.blogspot.com/2007/04/interview-ingo-ruhnke-aka-grumbel.html Interview with Ingo Ruhnke] on [[Free Gamer]]</ref>

== Game projects ==

Ruhnke started many projects:
*[[Construo]]
*[[Feuerkraft]]
*[[Pingus]]
*[[Retriever]]
*[[Robovasion]]
*[[Windstille]]

And worked on many more:
*[[SuperTux]]
*[[Tux Racer]]

Ingo Ruhnke also created [[flexlay]] for editing levels of several games, as well as being able to create graphics.

== References ==

<references/>

== External links ==

* [http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/ Ingo Ruhnke's homepage]
* [http://grumbel.blogspot.com/ Ingo Ruhnke's blog]

[[category:developers]]
[[category:German developers]]
[[category:computer scientists]]
[[category:programmers]]

Talk:SuperTuxKart

2022-03-24T07:18:36Z

Arlo James Barnes: /* deletion review */ question

Game should not be here (yet). They have non-free licenses, although they are trying to get rid of them. This is from the top part of the COPYING file distributed with the 0.7.1-rc1 release:
<pre>
The SuperTuxKart code is released under GNU GPL (see full text below).
SuperTuxKart data files (textures, models, sounds, music, etc.) are released under various licenses, see 'license.txt' files
through the various data subdirectories. Data files are released under a mixture of the following licenses :

Gnu GPL 2.0 and 3.0+
Creative-Commons-BY(-SA) 3.0
Creative-Commons-Sampling+ 1.0
SoundSnap license
Public Domain
</pre>

So there should be at least a waring in the top of the article. [[User:Gallaecio|Gallaecio]] 09:15, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

: Luckily this issue was resolved in 0.8: [http://sourceforge.net/p/supertuxkart/code/11337/tree//main/trunk/COPYING?diff=7765] --[[User:Gamfan|Gamfan]] ([[User talk:Gamfan|talk]]) 22:14, 6 September 2013 (CEST)

== deletion review ==

I'm adding a deletion review as I've found some licensing issues ([https://forum.freegamedev.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=18099 FGD post]): many files have unclear licenses but more importantly at least two characters are non-free ([http://www.mckusick.com/copyright.html Beastie] and [https://github.com/PureDarwin/Hexley/blob/master/LICENSE.md Hexley], their non-standard licenses allow uses only to individuals and only within "good tastes"). --[[User:Drummyfish|Drummyfish]] ([[User talk:Drummyfish|talk]]) 19:12, 27 June 2021 (CEST)

: I'm sticking my head in a hornet's nest by even trying to comment but here I go anyway: It isn't fully clear to me. The first issue being the overlap between copyright and trademark. Software, including fully free software, generally uses all sorts of trademarks. At the very least there has to be a project name, which itself brings in a trademark. These trademarks raise the same concerns as the copyright licences attached to these two characters (depending of course on local law). If I used the mascot of some project which happens to be under a permissive copyright licence in a distasteful way, then depending on country I could be just as much in the wrong as with these licences prohibiting it. In my opinion this needs to be something specifically clarified by LGW rules. If I simply fork a project then the fork could be trademark infringement if I don't replace a lot of the artwork—something which isn't generally considered to make the work non-free. If I, personally, have to follow the rules pedantically as I read them I would exclude the game but I don't think that was the intent of the rule. It also isn't clear to me how to interpret it in light of US law (where LGW was created AFAIK) which is so very permissive with parody. This means that the non-free licensing of the original characters might not apply to US distribution of their depictions in the game. [[User:FacelessLinuxUser|FacelessLinuxUser]] ([[User talk:FacelessLinuxUser|talk]]) 20:35, 9 November 2021 (CET)

:: I think you're stretching the point here a bit, [[User:FacelessLinuxUser|FacelessLinuxUser]]. The two mascots are explicitly marked all-rights-reserved, that means no derivatives either and the code license doesn't change any of that. I see your point, but it's probably the mascots' license that would have to change, not LGW policy. Still, I'd opt for communicating with the STK team - to push them to get in touch with the respective copyright holders, or remove these mascots from the default set - along with a little lenience for this specific beloved project. [[User:Modanung|Modanung]] ([[User talk:Modanung|talk]]) 16:42, 5 January 2022 (CET)

::: You may well be right. Unfortunately getting special permission for STK wouldn't fix the problem—it would make the game assets explicitly non-Free. Very permissive US fair use laws for parody are a headache, because there are now two rights holders involved and one of them is using a restrictive license which the other can legally circumvent without (necessarily) passing that benefit over to subsequent derivatives. It depends whether you consider such licensing to still be Free, which is why the FSF had to act on tivoization and patents. Media rather than SW but to quote the FSF, "A free license may not require compliance with the license of a nonfree program." As I said, by my reading of the policy it would have to be excluded. (It's so strict I couldn't even upload a BSD icon for fair use.) Being patient and solving the problem over wiping the article, yes, but I don't foresee a quick solution short of convincing STK to take them out or relaxing LGW policy. [[User:FacelessLinuxUser|FacelessLinuxUser]] ([[User talk:FacelessLinuxUser|talk]]) 18:36, 5 January 2022 (CET)

:::: My first impression from the STK community is that there is no intention of resolving the matter. [[User:Modanung|Modanung]] ([[User talk:Modanung|talk]]) 18:55, 5 January 2022 (CET)

::::: Not the news I want to hear but unsurprising. People are rather loose with licensing. (IMO not their fault—the arcane IP system is incongruent with human nature.) Perhaps by a long chance somebody reading this has good rapport with someone in STK, or Debian, or something related to get a discussion taken seriously. Sad that there are so many good projects out there where even one single file messes with the license of the whole instead of being placed in an expansion pack. You know as well as I. Zero-K with the music. Kernel Panic with the maps. Etc. [[User:FacelessLinuxUser|FacelessLinuxUser]] ([[User talk:FacelessLinuxUser|talk]]) 20:53, 5 January 2022 (CET)

:::::: I wouldn't give up hope just yet; it does seem like the inquiry has started a discussion. [[User:Modanung|Modanung]] ([[User talk:Modanung|talk]]) 21:50, 5 January 2022 (CET)

How does Debian deal with it, just omit the two characters from their repo? [[User:Arlo James Barnes|Arlo James Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo James Barnes|talk]]) 08:18, 24 March 2022 (CET)

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