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- 1 How do we make it easier for potential contributors to help?
- 2 Main Page
- 3 Which article should be featured next?
- 4 Engines for non-free games with no free games using them
- 5 Game articles redirecting to genre list
- 6 License Choice
- 7 Libregamewiki uses an invalid security certificate
- 8 A few things: Thanks for fighting spam
- 9 Article looks like ... data corruption?!
- 10 Copying from Wikipedia
- 11 Posting images
- 12 Spam & blocking users/IP
- 13 Lists and categories
- 14 Board games page broken
- 15 How to add a game?
- 16 Unable to auto confirm account
- 17 How to add games to genre listings?
- 18 Vandalism
- 19 Version updates from Wikidata?
- 20 Duplicated reference names break genre pages
How do we make it easier for potential contributors to help?
How can we make it easier for potential contributors to help? Since the beginning of October account creation works without red tape again. This is a great step forward. Is there anything we can do to further improve the articles explaining how to contribute?
- Well, for once, we might want to fix the following explanation, which I see whenever I try to create a new page, hours after creating my account: "If you just created a new account, please wait a couple of minutes". :)
- [Edit: now I can create the page fine. Thank you.]
I think it may be a good idea to have a little paragraph at the top of the main page which explains what LibreGameWiki is.
- The front page links to Libregamewiki which is currently outdated, the main page could have a summary with more detail on that page. Kymara (talk) 12:31, 6 October 2012 (CEST)
Shall we have a small "How to contribute?" or "Help wanted" section on the main page which links to the relevant articles? What would it look like?
- Yes. It should link to an updated Libregamewiki:Article_policy and List of games Kymara (talk) 12:31, 6 October 2012 (CEST)
- There could also be a portal for this in the side bar. Kymara (talk) 12:47, 6 October 2012 (CEST)
Which article should be featured next?
There is quite a number of very good articles. I think we should change the featured article on the main page more frequently to draw attention to them.
- Yes, I already asked a recent productive user, GNUbie for his thoughts for the next one. Generally, we should ask the wider community to help choose somehow. Kymara (talk) 12:32, 6 October 2012 (CEST)
Engines for non-free games with no free games using them
Hi. Should free remakes of engines for non-free games be accepted as free engines, if they have never been (and not necessarily intended to be) used for a playable free game yet? Examples: OpenMW, Enemy Territory: Legacy. --AVRS (talk) 12:35, 28 November 2012 (CET)
- My two pence: I'd class those as free engines. Their use case is irrelevant, and it could be considered as a matter of timing, for example: a free engine which was created and then later used for a non-free game doesn't make the engine non-free.Kymara (talk) 12:46, 28 November 2012 (CET)
Game articles redirecting to genre list
I'm seeing odd behavior. If I try to go to the following articles:
I get redirected to the RPG genre page:
If I use non-rewrite links, however, they seem to work.
Could there perhaps be an error in the URL rewriting rules?
The CC-BY is a non-copyleft license, and unless I'm mistaken, the GFDL is a copyleft license, which is why CC-BY-SA was chosen for Wikipedia when it dual-licensed to make it compatible with other CC sites. If I'm correct, this wiki is currently under two licenses which contradict each other on the question of copyleft, which is confusing. Why wasn't the CC-BY-SA license chosen for LGW? This would allow relevant to content to be imported from and exported to Wikipedia and other CC-BY-SA sites (with appropriate attribution of course). --Strypey (talk) 08:04, 11 January 2014 (CET)
- The CC-BY was chosen to make it easy for third parties to use content from LibreGameWiki. The GFDL was considered non-free by Debian and Debian is quite an authority as the Open Source Definition is based on Debian guidelines. It was kept as alternative to make it easy to copy content from LibreGameWiki to Wikipedia. Wikipedia and the FSF later pulled a stunt of releasing a new version of the GFDL with the Lex Wikipedia clause, allowing Wikipedia to move to a completely different license. LGW content, however, was licensed as GFDL 1.2 without the backdoor "or later". And personally, after this stunt, I don't think "or later" is a good idea at all. --Gamfan (talk) 08:16, 11 January 2014 (CET)
- For the record, the change to the GFDL was made to allow Wikipedia (and other multi-collaborator works) to dual-license with CC-BY-SA, which is identical to the GFDL where it counts (eg attribution, copyleft), although it happens to lacks the "invariant sections" and "transparency" terms that made Debian declare the GFDL non-free. Both CC-BY and CC-BY-SA are free culture licenses: http://creativecommons.org/freeworks Practically speaking, the purpose of having a wiki under a license is to inform the user about what they can and can't do with its contents. The GFDL tells the user they must put derivative works under the same license (copyleft), while the CC-BY says they don't. This is confusing. Can I use sections of LGW within an ARR (All-Rights-Reserved) work or not? Is this wiki copyleft, or it isn't? If it is copyleft, shouldn't the CC-BY-SA needs to be used to let the user know that? If it isn't copyleft, shouldn't the GFDL be dropped to make this clear? --Strypey (talk) 05:49, 12 January 2014 (CET)
- It is very simple: If you you contribute to LibreGameWiki, you must license your work as CC-BY und GFDL. If you want to use content from LGW, you can pick the license you want to comply with. Please keep in mind that copyleft is only one of the difference between the licenses (please read the full text of both licenses to learn about other demands required by each of the licenses). --Gamfan (talk) 13:21, 12 January 2014 (CET)
- I intended to answer, but I got an edit conflict earlier. Anyway, some points:
- Being CC-BY licensed, this wiki's text can be contributed to Wikipedia if properly attributed: see CC FAQ and Wikipedia copyright FAQ.
- Wikipedia is not entirely dual-licensed: all of it is available under CC-BY-SA (except the fairly used stuff). On the other hand, the GFDL does not necessarily apply to text added after the project voted to use the CC license - you have to check this yourself if you'd like to use a Wikipedia article under the GFDL.
- I intended to answer, but I got an edit conflict earlier. Anyway, some points:
- As I recall, Debian only considers the GFDL non-free if there are invariant sections involved, see this vote. What is the problematic "transparency" term?
- The lack of a "or later" clause precludes our stuff from being used in the Free Software Directory. This may be a pity, because their goal is rather similar to ours. -- StevenDH (talk) 19:40, 12 January 2014 (CET)
- Is the copyright in LGW content owned by the original author(s) or the project? If there was a consensus among all LGW copyright holders, the content could be relicensed under any license they choose. This would not revoke previous licenses on the same content, but would apply to all existing content, and only the new license would apply to new content. As I said initially, I can't see the benefit of using CC-BY for a collaborative reference wiki, and I think CC-BY-SA would be a better choice, as it means any improvements made in derivative works are available to be backported into LGW. --Strypey (talk) 10:50, 6 November 2015 (CET)
Libregamewiki uses an invalid security certificate
Hi, I do not know if the Community portal is the right place to report this type of problem. But I have not been able to find any better place.
When connecting to libregamewiki, some web-browsers (Mozilla based: firefox, iceweasel, icecat, seamonkey etc.) displays a warning page stating "This Connection is Untrusted". I have tested this on several computers with several browsers with both GNU/Linux and Windows OS, so it seems to be a problem that applies to everyone that uses these browsers.
The following details are given:
-libregamewiki.org uses an invalid security certificate.
-The certificate is not trusted because no issuer chain was provided.
-(Error code: sec_error_unknown_issuer)
- As of March 21, 2015 this problem no longer occurs. I am guessing that the security certificate has been updated. --Hurdman (talk) 14:06, 21 March 2015 (CET)
A few things: Thanks for fighting spam
Hopefully the Argentinian/Brazilian wiki spammers have no places left...
I am inquiring about the Public Domain version of Rogue, and the BSD version of Rogue.
I posess a copy of the Public Domain version of Rogue, and have screen shots of the screens, which wikisneeripedia seems not able to read 'Public Domain."
If need be, I can contact either Michael Toy or Glenn Wichman ( who published the sources to the PC Version/Commercial version) about verifying the public domain version is indeed the public domain version.
Article looks like ... data corruption?!
- Could you specify what looks corrupted? To me the article looks fine. LibreGamer (talk) 17:46, 31 July 2015 (CEST)
Copying from Wikipedia
I note the warning at the bottom of edit pages not to copy from Wikipedia. I'm assuming this is out of date, as Wikipedia is now dual-licensed under CC-BY-SA 3.0? If so, it would be good to remove that warning, as there is a lot of useful material about libre games that could be imported to this wiki.
This is particularly important in view of the massive pruning of Wikipedia that appears to be going on, with many articles being deleted on the basis that their subject is not "notable" enough to have a page in an Encyclopedia. This problem has disturbed Wikipedians enough that one (or a group?) has set up the SpeedyDeletion wiki to rescue pages before they are removed, in case their contents are still of interest to other wikis like this one. --Strypey (talk) 06:17, 6 October 2015 (CEST)
- Hi there. I'm afraid the warning has to remain as this wiki is cc-by or gfdl and wikipedia is cc-by-sa. (If you combine those cc license, the end result is the stricter of those, i.e. the one used by wikipedia) GNUbie (talk) 13:59, 12 October 2015 (CEST)
- Oops! I didn't notice the lack of the "SA" part of the LGW license when I made this post, and I totally forgot I already started a discussion about license choice further up. As I said there, all Wikipedia content is licensed under both CC-BY-SA *and* GPFDL. If content was imported from Wikipedia, it would have to be marked as such, to indicate that it can't not be used under CC-BY. --Strypey (talk) 10:40, 6 November 2015 (CET)
I try to help someone to edit his game's page. Yesterday, his IP was block cause abuse (probably tried to much html lines to make edit as he wanted). I looked all around your site to understand how to post an image through your site, and choose categories for his game, but found nothing about it. Is there somewhere an option to make it directly? -How upload an image on your site (I think it will be ok to post it on the edit of the game's page, but would be appreciated to have the exact html line to be sure) -How to add categories for a game.
P.S.: maybe there is an error on the chat... you let us know that we can connect as guest, but all times I tried, this don't work, cause I don't have a nickname.
Thanks a lot in advance for your help!
Answers could be send to firstname.lastname@example.org, or directly to the member Electro l.i.b
Spam & blocking users/IP
On the "Recent changes" page, I see there's a lot of spam-fighting going on. It's good that LGW is being valiantly defended against the incessant spam bots, but I think the Abuse filter is sometimes a little quick to block well meaning users. The anonymous user recently working on the Liberated Pixel Cup page, and two weeks ago even the registered user Lanadapter got on the block list, presumably because they made a series of small edits in a short time. Would it be possible to differentiate a bit better between real editors and spammer, so that we don't turn down actual contributors (while keeping the spam out, of course)? -- StevenDH (talk) 15:24, 14 February 2017 (CET)
Lists and categories
Wouldn't be better to direct the reader to categories of games, instead of lists of games by genre, like Roguelike games? The list can get easily outdated.
Board games page broken
When I'm logged in, I can see an up-to-date version of Board games, but when I'm not logged in, I can only see a very old version from 2013. Could the reason be that this page was protected in 2012? If yes, could you remove the protection or ensure otherwise that the autogeneration by the bot works again and the generated page is visible to all users? Thanks --Blokusguy (talk) 07:42, 29 July 2017 (CEST)
How to add a game?
- Please create an account with mail adress and confirm that you own the mail adress. The create account link is also available in the upper right corner. There may be traps against spammer. Read the pages after sending a request for login creation or changing a page!
- Read the Article policy and other articles from Get involved
- Make sure you are logged in and in the "Autoconfirmed users" group. Details can be found on your Preferences page.
- Enter the title of the new page in the search box in the upper right corner and search for it. Before the search results, if there are some, there is a bold line with "Create the page "Example game name" on this wiki!" (I searched for "Example game name"). The "Example game name" is a link for creating a new page. If this line doesn't appear, make sure you clicked the confirmation link in the confirmation mail.
- When creating a new page, there are links to templates for games, humans and redirects above the big text box. Click on a template before entering text.
- If the link to the game home page isn't shown in the text add a == External Links == section with the URL
Unable to auto confirm account
I can't create pages add I'm a member of group Users but not Auto confirmed Users. I didn't receive a confirmation message. I tried changing my email address but still no. Can you resend a confirmation message or confirm my account? Thanks! Eagle
- I'm now an Auto Confirmed Users group, not sure how that happened exactly. --Eagle (talk) 18:56, 27 January 2018 (CET)
I have the same problem. I can't autoconfirm. Could you send me a confirmation email? thanks,
How to add games to genre listings?
How to add a game to the genre listings page, Educational games and GPL games? Or does that happen on its own after the game has been added to the appropriate category? Thank you! :) --Eagle (talk) 18:55, 27 January 2018 (CET)
- Yes, those pages are periodically generated based on the categories. --Hendrik Brummermann (talk) 00:01, 27 February 2018 (CET)
- That IP was banned and all vandalism reverted --Hendrik Brummermann (talk) 22:14, 27 November 2018 (CET)
Version updates from Wikidata?
New versions come all the time and it's tedious to update manually. Wikidata might have many of the items here and could get updated more often than LGW. Their data is in the public domain. Can somebody figure out how to incorporate it automagically? That would help keeping up to date also the recent releases box on the front page of LGW. --GNUbie (talk) 11:51, 22 January 2019 (CET)
- Wikidata:Notability requires that a page exists in one of its sister projects and Wikipedia:Notability (video games) is much stricter than what can be included in Libregamewiki. I doubt that using Wikidata would help much with keeping the list of new releases up-to-date. --Blokusguy (talk) 13:18, 10 February 2019 (CET)
Duplicated reference names break genre pages
Problem: I.e. Category:Pages with reference errors (yes red link but still go ahead and click!). Open one of those list articles and scroll down to the bottom of the page where the references are to see the errors with the similarly named references between the included articles.
Solutions?: Perhaps the references could be somehow removed from the genre list articles? Of course the silly solution would be to manually edit the articles to change ref names... but that's a lot of work and not exactly future proof. --GNUbie (talk) 14:19, 25 January 2019 (CET)